Project H: WP Hosting – Updated!

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So it’s Monday night at 11:20pm and I’ve just discovered Small Potato from WPDesigner.com has announched Project H (Project Hosting). Small Potato is now going to be offering WordPress hosting for $20/month!

In Small Potato’s recent post about Project H, he did make a solid point that most hosts never live up to the specs they give you. Small Potato claims he’ll give us all 1GB storage and 40GB bandwidth each month. But there’s only one hosting plan? I think Small Potato should rethink the one plan thing, as different sites need different server attention. But I’m sure he’s got a method to his madness! Hell, WPCandy may even start offering hosting!

The server stats for the hosting are below:

  • Xeon Quad-Core
  • 4GB RAM
  • 20Mbps unmetered
  • RAID (data backup)
  • 120 customers limit

Check more out about Project H at WPDesigner.com!

P.S. You may ask why I’m sort of ‘advertising’ Small Potato’s new project. It’s because I love him. I really do.

UPDATE: Small Potato has just recently released Project H so go check it out! There are only 116 slots left so if you’re interested, hurry up!

23 thoughts on “Project H: WP Hosting – Updated!

  1. Yeah I saw this aswell, I just happened to be browsing when he posted.

    A great plan for the money. What he says in the article is true – too many hosts promote great plans that the customer eventually discovers they can’t live up to.

    Oh, and great to see you’ve got RSS now Mike! Keep it up.

  2. Personally, spending $20 a month for the meager hosting he’s going to be offering, is highly overpriced. How often are you truly going to have to inquire support about a WordPress issue?

    What can he offer that you can’t get for free with WordPress.org in terms of support?

    In any case, I could see this being great for WordPress developers, but most developers are going to want a more robust package along with the ability to have their own development area, rather than risking sharing it with other people.

    It’s a nice concept; But if people really do their research they can easily spend $20 a month with Media Temple, or even less with other hosting companies that offer the same kind of system to handle traffic, etc.

    I wouldn’t pay more then $8 a month for the package he created. WordPress support or not, it’s not worth it at all.

  3. I understand what you are saying Jordan. I honestly wouldn’t spend more than $10 a month on a host if i was using it for WordPress, but i suppose you can use it for much more stuff than WordPress.

    I get why SP has done it as well its a very good idea. I would love to see his stats on this.

  4. What makes it a good idea? The fact that he offers WordPress support? That’s the only difference he has between other hosts, and even then, you can go to WordPress.org to receive free support on a need-by-need basis.

    How often do you expect the average WordPress user to truly need WordPress support more than a couple of times a month, IF that.

    If you’re going to pay $20 a month for 1GB/40GB AND still use it for “more stuff,” then you’re very inexperienced with having your own domain.

    His idea is subpar, and I really don’t see it surviving past realizing that it’s just not worth it.

  5. Well I think it’s a semi-good idea. Although SP isn’t offering the best hosting plan, he claims that he will give his customers all of the 1GB of bandwidth and 40GB of storage.

    As for surviving? There are some people who will probably get it just so they don’t have to worry about other hosts and such.

    Thanks for your comments! I like this kind of discussion.

  6. Michael – Thanks for plugging my upcoming service.

    Jordan – I don’t see how $20 is overpriced. Other hosts are overselling at $10 for 3TB of bandwidth. That simply isn’t possible. Like it or not, Media Temple also oversell. It’s simply common practice and it’s profitable for them to do that. Please do your own research and don’t buy too much into the Media Temple hype. If you need an example, read Clazh . I do apologize if this sounds like a personal attack. (I’m blunt at times.)

    Also, please let me know where else you can get hosting on a xeon quad-core for $20 with the number of customers capped at 120.

    Most start-up hosts are trying to profit, compete, and survive by packing thousands of customers onto each server through overselling crazy $7-$10 deals.

    I decided to take the opposite route. Jordan, although I don’t think my hosting plan is overpriced, I’m open to suggestions. What do you think would justify $20/month?

    p.s. – WordPress support doesn’t mean answering message board questions like they do on WordPress.org. I haven’t even launched it. Don’t jump to conclusions yet 🙂

  7. SP: Thanks for stopping by, and no problem!

    If you don’t mind me butting in, I’d like to say that I think $10 a month would be best. I know where your heart is SP, but as customers, we see you as every other regular hosting service out there.

    Sure you say (and are probably honest about it) that we will get exactly what we pay for, but how can we assure that you will? I believe you, because you’re a brutally honest man. But some people just won’t believe you as I do.

    Anyway, good luck and thanks for your input. Any idea when it’ll be launched?

    p.s. I have a theory about you SP.

  8. Theory? Can I get in on the secret?

    …I really don’t know when I’ll be ready to launch it. For sure, once it’s launched, I’ll have a lot to do and won’t be able to take on anything new so I’m trying to work ahead of my regular schedule right now.

    About pricing, I totally understand where you’re coming from. If my traffic level isn’t at a point where it frequently crashes the server then I don’t need to pay that much just for hosting.

    In the end, I think my targeted customers will recognize that it’s a fair trade off. My hosting plan is not for everyone, especially sites that rarely get high traffic spikes.

  9. Hmm I wanted to write a post about it, but I guess I’ll show you first.

    Yeah that’s cool. It’d be better to have it release a little later and be awesome and fully working, than to get it a earlier and have some bugs!

    Anyways, I see where you’re coming from as well. What kind of site do you think your hosting service would be good for?

    Example: 2,000 unique hits a day, 5,000 page views, etc.

    I think if you gave out something like that, it would help let people know if your host is right for them.

  10. @Small Potato – I believe I’m more then aware of the intricacies of a hosting company, and what overselling entails. You obviously don’t know this, so assuming was your only option.. but I do run my own hosting company, so I think I can chime in. Next time hold off on the condscending tone.

    My example of Media Temple was not to compare overselling and not overselling. The price was comparing the features (excluding disk space and bandwidth) that the hosting package includes. With you the only thing that puts you above others is “WordPress support.”

    Otherwise there’s nothing special about your idea. Again, I’ll state this. Charging $20 for a meager 1GB of disk space and 40GB of bandwidth IS OVERPRICED. Within my hosting company, I have a 3GB/100GB package that comes to $40 yearly. You can try to chime in that “Oh, you don’t have WordPress support.” I don’t see that being a constant necessity for the average user. And the above-average WordPress user isn’t going to a just-out-of-the-box host, that doesn’t offer anything other than some beefy server specs. They’re going to want to have their own enviroments be it PHP4 or PHP5. Maybe Ruby on Rails, maybe not. My servers only use dual-core Xeon’s and 4GB of ram, and they’re nowhere near using 25% of their resources in regards to disk space and bandwidth. You can smartly oversell your resources if you know how to play the game correctly. I use logical disk space quotas. Nothing like Dreamhost or Surpass Hosting.

    Back to my comparison about MT: It was not even ABOUT the diskpace and bandwidth offered. Seriously, if that’s your only excuse you’ve got, you might want to try a little harder then.

    I know plenty of hosts that host their websites on quad-core servers, with plenty of ram and DON’T oversell ridiculously (albeit they do oversell, but nothing in terms of Dreamhost) but they DO cap accounts on the server. I’m in the market, and I see what else is out there. I KNOW it’s out there.

    You’re going to have to have a lot more features with your package to justify the $20. Tell me right now what makes your $20 package better then any other place. Because right now, charging $20 for a paltry amount of disk space and bandwidth, with no major features other then your WordPress support makes me think it’s all about making money from this.

    Hypothetically speaking: What else are you going to offer that will make a viewer think “Alright, I have $20 a month to spend on hosting. Do I look at places like Media Template , A Small Orange, Site 5 (overselling aside), East Solid who seem to have some features I might want to use.. Or do I go with this Wpdesigner PH where the only main feature is WordPress support?”

    It just seems like a clone from Survivedigg.com, which seemed to have been a bit of a failure….

  11. Your survivedigg.com comparison is correct. I’m doing the same thing, for less. But keep in mind that their $30 fee is much more than my $20. I don’t know what happened to them, but I think it’s save to say their $1050 monthly gross per server was not worth doing.

    I admit that the idea is nothing special, but I don’t get why you have to keep using that as your main point. What I’m setting out to do is provide reliable hosting at a price that high traffic sites can afford. You’re already in the hosting business so you should know, that alone is more than what thousands of other hosts are doing.

    When I said reliable, I meant being able to survive daily medium to high traffic, not just have a safe place to host your low traffic sites. People that simply need a home for low traffic sites should look toward hosts like DreamHost and etcetera.

    And I don’t use the fact I will provide WordPress support to differentiate my service. It’s just a bonus. I also don’t claim that it’s anything special because of that fact.

    On your point about Media Temple, my service is not based on a bunch of bonuses that you’re never going to use. If that’s what you’re looking for in a host then go with Media Temple. I’d like to see you use up the 1TB of bandwidth that MT promises and reproduce that type of performance for all of their customers.

    I’m curious about your 3GB/100GB package. You dont’ have to answer any of the following questions: How are you able to afford it? What is your server cap? Is it 120? Are your customers getting everything they’re paying for? What is your ROI? Please don’t shove the $20 in my face and say that it’s overpriced when I’m basically taking the opposite route of your 3GB/100GB package.

  12. Jordan – I reread your comment. I think your main problem with my plan is that it isn’t necessary for the average customer.

    But that’s the thing, I’m not trying to help the average customer with low traffic sites.

  13. If you’re not catering to the average client, what are you going to offer up to them that’s going to keep them from going to places like MT, ASO, etc?

    If you like at the Survivedigg.com model, it failed. You do realize that they still offered more than what you are, right? At least in regards to disk space and bandwidth. But comparing disk space to other hosts is not.my.point. So I’m not going to bring that up again.

    I’m not trying to say your idea is crap, I’m just trying to say it isn’t good. It can be worked at, to actually be WORTH $20. What you are offering right now, just as is, isn’t worth paying $20 a month for it. The only reason I see the $20 is to rectify the cost of the server.

    So you’re going to have a server with 120 clients at $20 a pop. That’s $2400 a month. You say that your pricing level is to essentially defray the cost of the server.

    You only need 120GB of disk space for clients, so perhaps you’ll have a 200GB hard drive or something. Bandwidth would have to be around 5TB assuming each person used 40GB, but since you only have 1GB of disk space, the average person isn’t going to even utilize 35% of their resources. So let’s say you skirt by with 2TB of bandwidth, or maybe even opt for an unmetered line.

    Even with a overkill system from Softlayer’s Quad Processor Multicore servers, their basic is $500 a month. So we’ll just run with this example, you’re now making $1900 a month with the model you presented. Again, is where I say that $20 is overpriced.

    The average hosting client doesn’t utilize MT. People that utilize MT go there for the quality support, service, and what their account includes. So basically the above average client wants to have multiple PHP environments, they want shell access, maybe RoR, and god knows what else.

    I’m able to afford Holdfire Network because the business model I set up works for what I have. I pay for my servers a year in advance so that I get the best pricing model available. Depending on the server (there is currently two for shared, and three for resellers) the model is different. The shared servers max out at 75 clients. One of them I stopped before I even got to 75 clients to allow them to grow into their packages if need be. My reseller servers are the same way. One is stopped at 15 clients, while the other has 20 clients.

    My ROI when I first started two years ago was minimal. At one point I was paying about $45 over what I was making, due to extra software I was paying on a monthly basis. Right now, my ROI is high enough that I lived off of it for about 7 or so months, until I started working full time as a designer. Took awhile to get there, so it’s not like it happened over night.

    I’m not trying to “shove” it in your face, but I’m merely trying to tell you that I don’t see anything special about it… That right now, as it is, isn’t going to help gain your viewer’s attentions.

    I keep comparing to Media Template, A Small Orange, etc because they have stuff that the average hosting client doesn’t use. You said yourself that you’re not catering to the average client.

    You have the hardware to boast, and this supposed model of redundancy for uptime. Okay.. you’ve got that.. But.. what else? What else tells the client that the $20 they are spending, is worth it each and every month.

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